You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking this is episode 126 and I'm your

host Thomas Smith today we're going to continue the interview with

ainan nice mangoes of course a pseudonym because of

nothing to do with Islam I'm sure a very interesting discussion we get into the nitty gritty of the nachab and whether it should be allowed during a citizenship oath in Canada.

So lots to talk about there. Very interesting. And then I have some fun stuff to talk about

after the interview. So to fight for you know freedom and

reform and you're shut down by the fundamentalists you're literally silenced

by them by being killed off.

So many wonderful progressive Pakistanis have been killed off in the past couple of years.

And then you're shut down by liberals, Western liberals.

And then, you know, I find myself using that argument

where I'm like, listen, you're a white male,

please don't tell me that the work is not oppressive you know so let's

get to that let's let's finally get to that issue and if you don't mind, it might be kind of rough, but if you can get into the background of the current, you know, what's happening in Canada, the comments made and all that, from a basics point of view.

Yeah, so basically what's happened is there's a woman of Pakistani background

who has decided that she will not remove her face veil for the citizenship oath,

which is just a few minutes long and nobody else gets to wear a mask.

She has, however, agreed that she can be pre-identified, but I mean, then how many people are we going to pre-identify who's going to pay for the you know the Borca

lookers or whatever it's just it's a few minutes and why would you demand special privileges is is is is is my take on it right

nobody else gets to hide their face during oath they don't get pre-identification privileges.

And then what makes it worse is that our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, who is disliked

by many a liberal,

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