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As The Far Right Rises, Don’t Be Ezra Klein

Current Affairs

Current Affairs

Politics, Culture, Government, Comedy, News

4.6673 Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

You can be committed to dialogue without pretending the right are reasonable and while aggressively challenging their views.

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0:00.0

Okay, look, I'm sorry. We're going to have to talk about Ezra Klein, and I'm sorry because I know I did just write a very long review of his book, Abundance, which he co-wrote with Derek Thompson.

0:13.4

I also did a long video adapting that review of abundance. That review was not positive, and it was was very in depth, so I feel like I've

0:21.9

dealt with Ezra Klein's ideas at considerable length. And I don't want this to end up the

0:28.6

way that my disagreement with the rationalist writer Sam Harris ended up, which concluded

0:34.1

with him calling me mentally unwell.

0:36.6

Okay, so then there was this article I noticed in this online journal.

0:42.2

Maybe it's also a print journal called Current Affairs,

0:45.5

which I hesitate to mention because the editor over there strikes me as someone who is truly mentally unwell,

0:53.3

given some of the insane things he's written about me

0:55.4

and the length at which he's written them.

0:57.8

Although, I will point out, I'd only co-written one article, but admittedly it was very, very long.

1:05.0

I do think it holds up, though, and Sam Harris never convincingly responded to any of the

1:09.5

arguments we made, just saying.

1:12.8

Look, there are more things in heaven and earth than Ezra Klein's bad opinions, and I promise that after this,

1:19.3

there will be a moratorium on Klein criticism from today until some reasonable point in the future.

1:26.8

But, look, I have to protest here because

1:30.9

Ezra Klein has lately published two pieces of material, a column, and a podcast. And they not only

1:36.8

irk me, but they are usefully illustrative of a particular kind of politics that I think we have to avoid if we want to

1:47.2

successfully stop the country's slide into authoritarianism. So by examining them and understanding

1:55.8

why they're so misguided, we can ourselves avoid becoming like Ezra Klein, hand-ringing accomplices to the

2:02.4

right, sanitizing their propaganda for them. So first, in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder,

2:08.3

Klein published a column praising Kirk, and he wrote, you can dislike much of what Kirk

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