This is Madre Rebels. I'm Ben Norton. Still, we're all in quarantine. Max Blumenthal, my co-host,

is in Washington, D.C. And today we're joined by the Brazilian journalist Natalia Urban, who is based in Scotland,

and is from Brazil and reports a lot for a lot of

great independent websites, including Brazil Wire, Friends of the Show, the best English language

reporting on Brazil. That's Brazil, like the Portuguese and Spanish spelling, BrazilWire.com.

And Natalia also contributes to several other websites

inside Brazil.

And we have her on today to talk about the chaos

that's going on inside Brazil.

You know, the US we've talked about in the past few episodes has been the

epicenter of the international COVID-19 pandemic. But quickly, Brazil is becoming the new epicenter.

It has one of the worst coronavirus outbreaks on earth. And the far-right government, the fascistic government of

Jairo Bolsonaro has basically done very little to nothing to deal with this massive pandemic,

which is now probably the worst in Latin America, although it's competing with Ecuador,

with the U.S. puppet regime there of Lenny Moreno,

for having the honor, the great honor of having one of the highest death rates of COVID-19 on the planet.

So we're going to talk about what the situation has been, of course, with coronavirus,

but actually the larger political situation, because

this chaos that Brazilians are living through right now is a political chaos, the result

of the Bolsonaro government.

We've talked in past episodes here at Moderate Rebels about how the Bolsonaro government

came to power through a U.S. government-backed soft coup against the Workers' Party,

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