Artificial Intelligence for the Clinician Episode 4: Ethics in Surgery
Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast
Behind The Knife: The Surgery Podcast
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 22 December 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Hosts:
Ayman Ali, MD
Ayman Ali is a Behind the Knife fellow and general surgery PGY-4 at Duke Hospital in his academic development time where he focuses on data science, artificial intelligence, and surgery.
Ruchi Thanawala, MD: @Ruchi_TJ
Ruchi Thanawala is an Associate Professor of Thoracic Surgery and Faculty in the Informatics Division at Oregon Health and Science University (tOHSU) and founder of Firefly, an AI-driven platform that is built for competency-based medical education. In addition, she directs the Surgical Data and Decision Sciences Lab for the Department of Surgery at OHSU.
Phillip Jenkins, MD: @PhilJenkinsMD
Phil Jenkins is a general surgery PGY-4 at Oregon Health and Science University and a National Library of Medicine Post-Doctoral fellow pursuing a master’s in clinical informatics.
Steven Bedrick, PhD: @stevenbedrick
Steven Bedrick is a machine learning researcher and an Associate Professor in Oregon Health and Science University’s Division of Informatics, Clinical Epidemiology, and Translational Data Science. His research is focused on biomedical applications for speech and language technologies, with particular emphases on facilitating secondary use of electronic health record data and on supporting the diagnosis and management of language and communication disorders.
Ryan Antiel, MD: @RyanAntiel
Ryan Antiel is an Associate Professor of Pediatric Surgery at Duke Hospital and an associate director of the Trent Center for Bioethics, Humanities, and History of Medicine. His research addresses ethical challenges surrounding the care of seriously ill fetuses and neonates. He is also interested in the moral formation of surgical trainees.
Kayte Spector-Bagdady, JD: @KayteSB
Kayte Spector-Bagdady is the Wantz Professor of Bioethics and Director of Michigan Bioethics at the University of Michigan Medical School. Her research focuses on increasing accessibility of health data for research and generalizability for diverse patient populations. She is also the former Associate Director for President Obama’s bioethics commission.
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| 0:00.0 | Behind the Knife, The Surgery Podcast, relevant and engaging content listening to Behind the Knife. |
| 0:24.4 | This is Patrick Georgoff. |
| 0:25.6 | We love our APP colleagues, and we know that you do too. |
| 0:28.9 | But when we surveyed the barren landscape, there wasn't a single high-quality |
| 0:33.0 | surgical education resource made just for NPs and PAs. |
| 0:36.7 | And that's why we created Dominate Surgery for |
| 0:38.7 | APPs. This kick-ass resource has it all from core rotation-specific knowledge to practical |
| 0:45.0 | tips and tricks like how to present a consult, insert a labroscopic port, and find your first job. |
| 0:51.1 | It contains short, high-yield text, beautiful illustrations, tons of |
| 0:54.9 | practical audio, and professional-grade videos. Group discounts are available. Now, enjoy the |
| 1:00.3 | episode and dominate the day. Hello, listeners. Welcome to the Behind the Knife series about |
| 1:06.5 | artificial intelligence. I'm Iman O'A., a general surgery PGY4 at Duke. |
| 1:11.5 | In today's conversation, I'm joined by fantastic guests to discuss the ethics of artificial |
| 1:15.5 | intelligence in surgery and medicine and healthcare in general. |
| 1:20.2 | First, I'd like to introduce Dr. Ryan Antio, who's an associate professor of pediatric surgery |
| 1:24.8 | here at Duke, and whose research addresses ethical challenges |
| 1:27.9 | surrounding the care of seriously ill fetuses and neonates. In addition, he's the founder of the |
| 1:32.8 | Good Surgeon, which is a project that focuses on character development in surgical trainees and |
| 1:37.4 | faculty. Welcome, Dr. Antil. Thanks so much. It's great to be with you all. I'm also joined my members from Oregon Health and Science University, |
| 1:47.3 | who I've been on this podcast before. |
| 1:49.5 | First is Phil Jacobs, a PGY4 Research Fellow. |
| 1:53.7 | Hey, thanks for having us back. |
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