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Artificial Intelligence Ethicology (WILL A.I. CRASH OUT?) with Abeba Birhane

Ologies with Alie Ward

Alie Ward

Comedy, Science, Society & Culture

4.923.8K Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Who’s babysitting AI? Will it steal your job? What happens when you’re rude to a chatbot? Cognitive scientist, Trinity College professor and Artificial Intelligence Ethicologist Dr. Abeba Birhane lets me ask her not-smart questions about legislation around AI, auditing datasets, environmental impacts, booby traps, doorbell narcs, commonly used fallacies, how the “godfathers’ of AI feel about their creation, robots doing your homework, and and whether or not AI is actually the root of all evil. Also: bacon ice cream and why Siri is a girl.

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Oh, hey, it's the tag that you wish you'd cut out of your shirt, Allie Ward. And for every one of us that has seen AI become more and more present in our lives and wondered, is anyone driving this bus? I have here for you a chat with an expert who tells us exactly who is driving the bus and where it could be headed. Is AI evil? Does AI even care about us? Is it going to kill us?

0:23.0

Should we feel bad for it? Don't ask me. I'm not theologist. We're going to get to it.

0:27.5

Now, this expert is a senior fellow in trustworthy AI and an assistant professor at the School of

0:32.9

Computer Science and Statistics at Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland. And they're a cognitive scientist.

0:38.5

They research ethics in artificial intelligence, and they've published papers with such

0:44.6

titles as the forgotten margins of AI ethics toward decolonizing computational sciences,

0:51.2

the unseen black faces of AI algorithms, and the values encoded in machine learning

0:56.4

research. So they're on it. And I got to sit down and visit and chat in person when I was in

1:02.5

Ireland just last month. Also, just a pleasing aesthetic side note. They were born in Ethiopia,

1:09.1

but lives in Ireland. And this expert has the most

1:12.6

melodic cadence, just like Bjork. I was mesmerized. We're going to get to all that in a second.

1:18.1

But first, if you ever need shorter kid-friendly episodes with no adult language, we have Smologies.

1:24.3

There are episodes in their own feed, wherever you get podcasts. Also, linked in the show

1:28.4

notes, that's smologies. Also, thank you to patrons for supporting Ologies and sending in questions

1:33.5

ahead of time. You can join for as little as a dollar a month at patreon.com slash ologies. Thanks also to

1:39.3

everyone who's ever left a review for this show. They help so much. And I read all of them weirdly, including this

1:46.1

recent one by Remali, who wrote, this podcast will expand your horizons and help you indulge in

1:51.7

your hyperfixations, both known and yet to be discovered. Remley also says, sorry it has taken me

1:57.8

over five years to finally write a review. Remaly, any time's a good time. Thanks for that. Okay, let's get right into artificial intelligence ethology. It's the ethics of machine cognition. Is it cognition? We'll talk about it. What does chat chippy T stand for? Why is Siri a lady? Can you ask a robot for a cheeseburger yet? What happens when you're rude to a chatbot?

2:20.2

Also, how do artists prevent getting ripped off? How much energy does AI take up? When we all lose

2:25.7

our jobs, booby traps, doorbell narks, commonly used fallacies, how the creators of AI feel about

2:33.2

AI? What is hype and what is horror? What are the benefits of AI? What happens if you assign a chatbot your homework? And whether or not AI is the root of all evil or a pocket pal with embodied cognitive scientist, professor, scholar, and artificial intelligence ethicalologist, Dr. Ababa Burhani. I'll ask some questions that would take hours to unravel,

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