Artificial Intelligence and the Containment Problem | Mustafa Suleyman

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Government, Business

4.8 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 336 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Google DeepMind co-founder Mustafa Suleyman about the containment problem and the AI dilemma that he outlines in his book, “The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemma."

Mustafa Suleyman and Demetri discuss the rapid advancement and proliferation of Artificial Intelligence and Synthetic Biology, why this revolution is going to be fundamentally different from past periods of rapid technological change, and what can be done to solve the containment problem and prevent some of the more catastrophic outcomes from occurring, while still reaping the benefits of this next wave of innovation.

The first hour of this episode is spent exploring how these AI systems work, how they learn, and how they perceive the world, as well as why they are so difficult to contain. And yet, we need to contain them if we want to avoid some of the more catastrophic outcomes like synthetically engineered pandemics, pandemics of public confusion that undermine our sense of reality, and moves toward totalitarianism or civilization-ending anarchy.

In the second hour, Kofinas and Suleyman discuss various versions of what success and failure might look like and what we can do as a society to help move us closer toward the future that we want and away from dystopian nightmares that we’ve all seen depicted in some of the most famous movies of the last half-century.

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Episode Recorded on 10/23/2023

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0:00.0	What's up everybody? My name is the Major Kofinas and you're listening to Hidden Forces, a
0:06.0	podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs and everyday citizens to challenge
0:12.2	consensus narratives and to learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world.
0:18.0	My guest in this episode of Hidden Forces is Mustafa Suleiman, a renowned tech expert and venture partner known for his development
0:26.2	of leading AI models and is the co-founder of Google's Deep Mind.
0:31.6	Our conversation today explores the potential consequences that stem from the rapid
0:35.7	advancement and proliferation of artificial intelligence and synthetic biology.
0:41.0	Why this revolution is going to be fundamentally different than past periods of rapid technological
0:45.9	change, and what can be done to contain these technologies in order to prevent some of the more catastrophic
0:51.5	outcomes from occurring while still reaping the benefits
0:54.9	of this next wave of innovation.
0:57.7	We are approaching a critical threshold in the history of our species. Everything is about to change. At least that seems to be the
1:06.7	consensus that is emerging from my conversations with people like Mustafa, who work most closely
1:12.0	with these technologies.
1:13.6	And we spend the first hour of our conversation today wrapping our arms around not only
1:17.6	how these systems work, how they learn and how they perceive the world, but also why they are so difficult to contain and why we need to contain
1:26.2	them if we want to have any realistic hope of avoiding those catastrophic outcomes.
1:31.5	Things like synthetically engineered pandemics,
1:33.8	engineered public confusion that undermines our sense of reality,
1:38.0	and moves either toward totalitarianism or toward the kind of anarchy
1:42.2	that could generate civilization-ending terror attacks
1:45.0	by lone actors capable of scaling destruction to levels that are difficult to
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