Artificial Intelligence: An AI Boss Warns About the Risks (Dario Amodei)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Artificial intelligence is arguably the single biggest force shaping our world today.
Dario Amodei, CEO and co-founder of Anthropic which created AI chatbot Claude, says that this technology has the potential to revolutionise our lives but could also cause us significant harm if we don’t regulate it properly.
Amol and Dario discuss how quickly large language models (LLMs) like Claude and OpenAI’s ChatGPT are developing, the threat they could pose to white-collar jobs and how his company’s chatbot helped his sister through a difficult pregnancy.
They also talk about how AI could be used to carry out cyberattacks and why there is a “fundamental difficulty of control” at the centre of these models.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.9 | Hello, it's Amol here. |
| 0:06.6 | Welcome to Radical. |
| 0:07.7 | These are conversations about the deep global trends changing our world and radical ideas about the future. |
| 0:14.1 | I hope you've had a wonderful summer. |
| 0:15.8 | I've been off for a few weeks, mostly in Devon, which is at heaven, where my wife is from, a place called |
| 0:21.2 | Topsham, on the X Estuary, which I absolutely adore, which is somewhere my kids are very, very, very, very, very lucky to be getting to know. In fact, I didn't, I don't think I'd been to Devon until I was about 23, and now it is a place that we go to often as a family, and then I had a week in France because I'm such a lucky chap. |
| 0:37.5 | I hope you had a wonderful, |
| 0:38.5 | restful, relaxing holiday. |
| 0:41.1 | I hope also place that we go to often as a family and then I had a week in France because I was such a lucky chap. |
| 0:55.4 | I hope you had a wonderful, restful, relaxing holiday. I hope also, actually I hate the fact that I said holiday because I remember when I didn't have kids, I used to find it really annoying that people said hope you had a good holiday when I just worked all of August as I did all through Christmas when I was in a newspaper career. Anyway, whatever you've done in August, I hope you've had a really, really good time, |
| 0:56.7 | and I above all, |
| 1:11.5 | hope you really enjoyed our episodes with Sabrina Cohen-Hatton and Jordan Schwarzenberger, which was so good, we turned it into two episodes. What we're trying to do with this podcast, as you know by now, is really get inside the zeit guys, get ahead of those deep global trends shaping the future. |
| 1:20.6 | And arguably, there's no trend, no technology, shaping our world and our future more right now than artificial intelligence AI. |
| 1:24.3 | It is a different kind of technology for reasons we're going to explain. |
| 1:25.9 | It's not like previous technologies. |
| 1:30.3 | It has the capacity to be more consequential than the Industrial Revolution, |
| 1:35.5 | more consequential than fire, as the boss of Google said to me in Silicon Valley not so long ago. |
| 1:38.5 | It is worth hundreds of billions, in fact, trillions already. |
| 1:41.8 | And it's the politics and business of this emerging industry, |
| 1:44.8 | which is keeping many, many people up at night. |
| 1:50.8 | Could AI take your job? What sort of jobs will AI replace? Will the robots gain sentience? |
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