Hi, I'm Jonathan Kapart. Welcome to Cape Up.

Arthur Brooks is back.

The president of the American Enterprise Institute and I dive into the moral mistakes

of the Trump administration and the state of American politics.

Okay, what's bad for marriage is bad for politics and bad for a country.

Brooks has a lot more to say on this, populism, how we bring the country together,

and why he's leaving his job right now.

Arthur Brooks, thank you very much for coming back to the podcast.

Thank you, Jonathan.

Always great to be with you.

I'm a listener, but I really like being on the show too.

Oh, oh, thank you.

Well, thank you very much.

So when we talked just before the inauguration,

it was January.

It was January 2017.

And even then, I was expressing concern about what could come of a Trump presidency and you said then you know let's yeah

there's all this stuff out there that gives me post, but let's give him a chance.

Because he is the President of the United States, and we should want our President to succeed.

Here we are in the middle of 2018.

Year and a half later, Arthur Brooks,

what you're thinking?

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