Arthur, tell me what was your first reaction when you found out your friend stole a Rodan statue?

It was, I can't believe what he, what he did in the way he did it.

Just I think looking back, Stephen was, you know, we're, I'll take this back to the 70s.

Okay, that's how far this goes back.

When we were in grade school together, he was kind of kid, if you drew a line in the sand,

he'd cross it and taunt you.

So he just had that personality.

He kind of looked like a little James Dean kind of kid, very smart, but always in trouble,

always in trouble.

And we didn't know, you know, he was always the guy.

You were like, hey hey man, calm down.

Everything's cool.

What's going on?

And his engine just kept running.

So when we were kids, that's the way he was.

And then after third grade, things really changed.

He got really dark.

He had a situation.

I don't want to get into that right now.

But he had a very difficult situation and got PTSD.

He was also ADHD and bipolar.

So he's undiagnosed for all those things as he was growing up prior to

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