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18 or over. Hello and welcome to the game podcast from The Times. I'm Allison Rudd, very like Gab Marcotti, only completely different.

Thank you for joining us. With me in the studio today, are the marvelous Bill Edgar and the supreme James

Scowcroft don't call him Jamie and down the line no one I don't like down the

lines later we will be discussing the enigma,

or if you prefer, the entity, that is Jose Marino,

but first, two very similar, if very different,

two-one defeats for big London clubs.

Let's turn first to Selhurst Park, which was rocking on Saturday as Crystal Palace defeated Chelsea, the Champions.

It was a privilege to be there.

Chaps, afterwards, the first question was about the return from injury of Wilfred Sahar. Roy Hodgson wasn't keen to make it all about him.

He stressed that it was a team performance, although later in the, what we call the Monday

huddle he was prepared to talk about what a remarkable player he is

and how instrumentally was in the victory but let's talk about Wilfred first used to play

for England well in friendlies turned his back thought he wouldn't

get a place in Gareth Southgate's team but after watching him play on Saturday and the way he tore into Chelsea's back three.

If you were the England manager wouldn't you be thinking, oh, we've let him slip through our fingers.

He'd be so useful in Russia James I think they have let him

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