Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nerdy.

Today is Monday, September 1st, 2025, and I'm the host of the show, Dr. Kara, Santa Maria.

And just like with every single episode,

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Pasquale Jalati, and Ulrika Hagman. Thank you all so much. All right, let's dive right into it.

This week, I had the opportunity to chat with Dr. Christine E. Webb. Previously in Harvard's

Department of Human Evolutionary Biology, she's recently moved over to environmental studies at

NYU. She's actually a primatologist with expertise in social behavior, cognition, and emotion,

and typically works with non-human primates in different settings, like from the field and beyond, and really collaborating in a multidisciplinary

way with scientists and scholars from, you know, the humanities to the social sciences and beyond.

And she has a new bookout.

Big surprise.

Every week we have a really interesting scientist or science writer with a new

book out. This one's really exciting. Okay, so it's called the arrogant ape, the myth of human

exceptionalism and why it matters. So we're going to talk about primates, about non-human

primates, but we're also going to talk about

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