Arrested for 'immorality' in South Africa
Witness History
BBC
4.5 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 25 September 2024
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
In 1969, a white man and an Indian woman were put on trial in South Africa for conspiring to have sex.
Dr Zureena Desai and Professor John Blacking were the most high profile couple to be arrested under the Immorality Act.
Their case made headlines all over the world and made a laughing stock of South Africa's ruling National Party and its racist regime.
Dr Desai tells Vicky Farncombe about the ridiculous lengths police officers went to in order to gather evidence against the couple, including climbing trees and listening at ventilation shafts.
“Young people born after 1994 don't remember what South Africa was like,” she says. “People died. And people were arrested for fatuous reasons.”
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(Photo: Dr Zureena Desai. Credit: Abrie Jantjies)
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| 0:44.2 | You're listening to the Witness History podcast from the BBC World Service with me, Vicky Farncom. |
| 0:54.8 | I'm taking you back to 1969, and the moment a white man and an Indian woman were put on trial in South Africa for conspiring to have sex. |
| 0:58.1 | Their case made headlines all over the world and made a laughing stock of South Africa's ruling national party and its racist regime. |
| 1:09.3 | Anybody who ever met John, you knew that he was enormously charismatic. |
| 1:15.0 | He was very tall. |
| 1:16.2 | He was very good looking. |
| 1:18.4 | He had a wonderful way of making people feel comfortable. |
| 1:24.0 | That's what he was like. |
| 1:25.7 | Dr. Zarina Desai, describing her late husband, John Blacking. |
| 1:30.3 | The couple met in Johannesburg in the 1960s. |
| 1:34.0 | She was a medical student. |
| 1:35.8 | He was professor of social anthropology at Vitz University. |
| 1:40.2 | This was at the time of apartheid, |
| 1:42.4 | when laws were in place to discriminate against black people |
| 1:45.3 | and to keep them apart from white people. |
| 1:48.4 | John was white, I was not white. |
| 1:50.6 | All we were interested in was that we were human beings. |
| 1:59.0 | Their friendship developed after they saw each other at an Indian wedding. |
| 2:03.8 | I was walking across the room and he came across to say hello. |
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