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Welcome, welcome to Arm Chair Anonymous.

I'm Dick Shepard.

I'm joined by Monica Padman.

The intern of all interns. Interns. Internships debacles, disasters. Tell us about a time you had a bad internship.

You never had one. I never had one. You had many we found out. Yeah. You'll hear a lot of interning. I did and actually it was it was really hard for me to get an internship. I interviewed for many. Really? Yes. I don't feel like you

should have to interview for an intern in it. It's free labor. I know that's why it's

extra demoralizing when you don't get it. We got pitched an incredibly capable person. I know. Did you read her

thing? It's so impressive. Yeah, it was forwarded to us from Adam Grant. Yes, and this person's so overqualified

and my first thought was like,

A, we don't deserve you.

B, I'm not sure what you would do here.

We enjoy doing way too much.

Yeah, and we'd have to hire her to do like a legit we could never not pay someone exactly

I was like there's no way I could have this person provide these services and just be

like yeah and that's for free I know I think the whole system is flawed.

There are paid internships, which I think is what I was trying to get, but I think I ended up

going for unpaid but with perks, as you'll hear about.

Well, and the reason I think it's tricky is no one's trying to intern at a low-paying job where they couldn't afford it.

Like they're trying to, they're interning at law offices

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