ARIANNA MOLLOY: How to Love Work—Without Burning Out

The Double Win

Michael Hyatt

Productivity, Teamleadership, Mental Health, Business, Leadership, Selfleadership, Personaldevelopment, Intentionality, Influence, Achievement, Selfdevelopment, Self-improvement, Management, Health & Fitness, Education

4.8 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

What is a calling? How does it shape our work and life? What’s the hidden cost of pursuing it (and what can we do about it)? In this engaging, high-energy conversation, Michael and Megan sit down with Dr. Arianna Molloy—calling researcher, author, and professor—to unpack the power and pitfalls of purpose-driven work.

Arianna reveals the four key elements of a true calling, practical safeguards to prevent burnout, and three concrete shifts anyone in any field can make to start experiencing a greater sense of purpose and meaning at work. She also explains why humility—not just passion—is the key to sustainable success. If you’ve ever struggled to balance meaningful work with a healthy life, this episode is a must-listen.

Memorable Quotes

“Burnout from a calling isn’t just, ‘I don’t know what I’m doing anymore.’ It’s, ‘I don’t know who I am anymore.’”
“To learn how to rest well, to learn how to have good boundaries actually protects that healthy sense of your calling.”
“It is so important that work is not all that you have and all that you are because, guess what? At the end of the day, [your work] is going to change and shift… If we hold that with a closed hand, it’s not going to go well.”
“[Calling is] really relational. It’s a relationship with yourself, the caller, and it’s a relationship with the community that you impact.”
“Most of the time, [calling] happens upon reflection… In the moment, it’s not so obvious. This subtle sense of peace, or just a feeling like, ‘I think this is right.’”
“We don’t honor that need and importance of play as much as we could.”
“The lynchpin is humility. Part of humility is the willingness to learn more, to know that you don’t know everything and that is not a threat—it’s actually exciting.”

Key Takeaways

The Bright and Dark Sides of Calling. A strong sense of purpose can fuel motivation, but without boundaries, it can also lead to burnout and identity loss.
The Four Elements of a True Calling. Calling isn’t just about passion—it requires meaning, an identified caller, skill development, and a connection to community.
How to Reframe Your Work. Even if your current job doesn’t feel like a calling, job crafting—adjusting your tasks, relationships, or mindset—can create a deeper sense of meaning.
The Role (and Definition) of Humility. True calling requires both confidence in your strengths and an openness to growth and makes it possible to step away from work without guilt.
The Power of Rest. Sustainable success isn’t just about doing more—it’s about recognizing your limits and practicing the right kind of rest to restore energy and creativity.

Resources

Watch on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/upMwbYdyViw

This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound

Transcript

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0:00.0	Remember, calling is a pro-social behavior.
0:03.0	It's when you're making a positive difference for others.
0:05.3	So it's not this compulsion for yourself.
0:08.3	It's compulsion for others.
0:12.5	Hi, I'm Michael Hyatt.
0:13.8	And I'm Megan Hyatt Miller.
0:15.1	And you're listening to The Double Win Show.
0:17.0	And we are so excited today to share our recent conversation with Dr. Ariana Malloy. This was such a fun conversation. You guys are going to love it all about healthy calling. That is her book. She is a professor of communication at Biola University, specializing in organizational communication and the study
0:38.4	of meaningful work. And my goodness, is she an expert? I can't believe we haven't had this topic
0:42.3	on before. I know. And yet it is so central to... She has so many insights. Yeah, so many insights.
0:47.2	As I said, she has a book that is called Healthy Calling from Toxic Burnout to Sustainable Work.
0:53.5	There's a link to that in the show notes.
0:55.0	You'll want to get that for sure. And she's really talking about sustainable success for those
1:01.0	who are driven by purpose and passion, which is you guys. So she's been featured in various
1:06.0	academic and industry platforms speaking on how to cultivate healthy boundaries in work that
1:10.3	matters.
1:11.2	And she's deeply involved in helping professionals navigate the pressures of modern work
1:14.9	environments while maintaining their personal well-being. She's also a mom of a six-year-old.
1:20.5	She is an active professor, as I said, an author. She's married. She's a runner. She has a new cat that we heard about at the beginning.
1:29.5	I actually saw that. I actually saw a very cute cat. Anyway, you guys will love this high energy
1:35.0	and vulnerable conversation with Ariana. Welcome, Ariana. We are so excited to talk to you today about the idea of healthy calling. This is going to be so much fun. I'm so glad to be here. And I was telling you before we started recording that our beloved Hannah Williamson, who is our content architect on our team, works for my husband, Joel. She, I think, got to be
2:03.7	mentored by you, got to learn from you when she was in college at Biola University and just
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