I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of the McCarty Cellars Podcast.

Today we have an amazing host that he is actually a much better host than I.

Somebody who is doing so much great work from NPR

and all things considered.

And now I can just tell you his new book is so powerful.'re gonna get into that but Ari Shapiro how are you today man?

I'm great thank you so much for having me bakari. I'm glad you're here so what I would like to do is our

show is unique and that we ask all of our guests the same first question, which is to walk us through the arc of your career.

How did we get, how did you get to the point where we all know your name now for all of us who listen and

appreciate the work you do but how did you get to that point in your career?

Well there's a simple short answer which is I started as an intern at NPR and never left and have just stuck around my entire life.

So that works.

But people listening, it worked.

Internships work, yes.

But the slightly longer answer is that I never planned to be a journalist.

I never planned to be a host of all things considered.

I kind of followed my curiosity and kept challenging myself and kept asking what's next, how can I grow, how can I

continue to learn and that always led to new opportunities within NPR. You know,

some of which didn't work out. I think it's important to know, especially

when you're talking to people who are public figures about moments that people got rejected

for jobs, moments that people failed at something they set out to do, but ultimately it was just through kind of taking one step after another after another without a real sense of where I was going to be in a year or five years that I wound up where I am now.

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