Hello, my name's Todd Adams.

This is Kathy Adams.

Welcome back to Zen Parenting Radio.

We have an exciting show plan.

We've been planning it for about five minutes.

Ten.

Ten minutes.

But first I want to, yeah, Brune Brown is a woman who is in the spotlight these days.

Yes, she's everywhere.

Ted talks.

Haven't we talked about Renee before?

I don't think so. She's been in our world for a little bit.

If we have, I haven't listened.

Because you, like last month or the month before, you did a men's group about vulnerability and shame.

And I did the same thing.

And she's just been kind of in our language for a while.

And yesterday we were talking about how I tend to have certain worries about money and more

specifically some apartment buildings we manage.

So I want to wrap those two ideas into one conversation.

So we're going to have like a real-time conversation, kind of like what you and I have in the house.

Every single day.

So you can pretend you're like a voyeur or what is it when you listen?

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