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You're listening to Late Night Woman's Hour and we are at the Birmingham Literary Festival with my guest, Sally Hughes.

Hi.

Hello.

Katlyn Moran, welcome.

Hello.

And Nadia Shireen, hello to you.

I want to talk about trees.

Now, Katlyn and I both live adjacent to the ancient forest of Middlesex and each have

favourite trees within it. However, Catlin Moran has recently gone full tree hugger. I have only gone

as far so far as giving my favourite ones a little pat. Should I, and therefore by extension,

the late night women's hour audience, take the next step it does feel a little bit

like consummation like because i know you're a patter aren't you you will pat a tree i'll give that old

fellow if i's my favorite ent i'll just lean on him say hello mate you're right just as i walk past

on the way home yeah as Cheryl sandberg said but not about trees maybe for the next book we're

about that that would be incredible.

No, I mean, I was raised by hippies, so I spent most of my life trying to rebel against hippies.

The idea of, like, for instance, my mother was really keen on dream catchers.

I was like, what a horrible thing to do with a dream.

Catch it in a window, in a web.

That just seems like that would be a straightforward nightmare for you. So I've had to resist for many years, the urge to do any kind of ning-nang-nong-y-woo-woo,

as I believe it's technically referred to stuff.

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