Are You Chasing Scale or Purpose? Here's Why It Matters More Than Ever
The Chase Jarvis LIVE Show
Chase Jarvis
4.8 • 649 Ratings
🗓️ 6 August 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Ben Uyeda shares how chasing purpose instead of scale can transform your creative career — and your life. Ben is a designer, entrepreneur, and creative force who left behind a successful architecture firm and an Ivy League teaching gig to bring high-design concepts to the masses through media. His free, widely shared designs have reached over 50 million people and are being built around the world.
We dive deep into the tension between scale and meaning in the creator economy — and how Ben has escalated from designing vases on YouTube to building a 65-room hotel in the desert, all without losing his creative soul. Whether you're an artist, entrepreneur, or just trying to figure out what's next, this conversation will challenge you to rethink your relationship with risk, money, and mastery.
Some highlights we explore:
- "Scaling is just repeating. Escalating is growing." The mindset shift that changed Ben's career.
- Why Ben believes nature is becoming a luxury good — and how that shaped the Reset Hotel.
- The key difference between creatives who thrive in AI disruption and those who panic.
Enjoy!
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Scaling is about producing one thing and then producing many things and you're going to make more money through volume, which isn't always a fun word in the creative side. |
| 0:08.8 | Efficiency and your ability to just repeat over and over and over again to drive up margins. |
| 0:14.7 | So what I think is really intriguing is this idea of escalation. |
| 0:18.1 | And that's what I've done with sort of my career is the first YouTube video I shared, I designed a base. The projects got bigger, started making tables and chairs, |
| 0:26.5 | then like whole staircases, then a house, and then a hotel. This episode is brought to you by |
| 0:36.1 | My latest book, Never Play It Safe. Right now, if you do not have a copy of my |
| 0:41.6 | latest book, I want you to listen to what Gary Vaynerchuk said about my latest book. Building a life |
| 0:48.0 | you love doesn't happen on accident. It's a process. Few people know this process like Chase |
| 0:53.1 | Jarvis does and never play it safe is |
| 0:55.8 | the roadmap. Or what Sophia Amaruso said. This book is a powerful compass for embracing risk |
| 1:03.0 | and creativity in all the aspects of your life. Chase shows us how to step out of our comfort zones |
| 1:08.4 | and become who we weren't meant to be. |
| 1:12.1 | Here's a cool fact. All of the best stuff in life is on the other side of your comfort zone. |
| 1:18.4 | And never play it safe is a blueprint. That's how I designed it. It's a blueprint to get you there reliably over and over again. |
| 1:26.2 | It's not an accident that this was a national |
| 1:28.0 | bestseller on, I think, four bestselling book lists. That's because it is a roadmap. It's a |
| 1:34.6 | blueprint, right? It's going to reshape how you think about attention, time, intuition, |
| 1:39.1 | constraints, those things that you feel like hold you back. If you're not playing enough, |
| 1:42.9 | if you're working too much, you're working in the wrong way, if failure seems too constant and you can't see what the |
| 1:49.1 | benefits are, or if you don't have the practices and the habits to help you achieve the extraordinary |
| 1:54.3 | results that you seek, this is the book. This is the book that I put three years of my life |
| 2:00.3 | and its goal is to help you be more creative, fulfilled, and successful in everything that you do. |
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