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Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Frances Foster.

I'm Constantine Kissin.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

We have two brilliant guests for you today. Emma Webb, commentator and Ella Wheelan,

journalist commentator and author of what women want, fun freedom in an enter feminism.

There we go. I got that all right, not the first time. I'll be honest.

Welcome both. Hi. It's good to have you back.

Emma, we've been meeting to have you on the show for a long time.

Not necessarily the best circumstances to have you on the show.

There's been some tragic events and that was one of the reasons we wanted to have you on the show.

The abduction and the murder of a woman here in London, our international audience may not be

familiar with it. And the conversation that is ensued from that,

visuals, protest, policing will get into all of that.

But we wanted to talk about the broader issue of women's safety first and foremost.

And it's this thing that, you know, it's two guys in particular.

When we talk to women in our lives who may be not feminists or not, you know,

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