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The Ezra Klein Show

Are We Witnessing the Mainstreaming of White Power in America?

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2021

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Over the course of Donald Trump’s presidency, the far-right fringe became a surprisingly visible and influential force in American politics. Eruptions of extremist violence — including the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 and the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection — have made militant groups like the Proud Boys and conspiracy theories like QAnon into household names. On his popular cable news show, Tucker Carlson recently name-checked the “great replacement” conspiracy theory. And in a recent survey, nearly a third of Republicans agreed with the statement that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.” The historian Kathleen Belew has spent her career studying political violence and the once-fringe ideas that now animate even right-of-center politics and news media. She is a co-editor of “A Field Guide to White Supremacy” and the author of “Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America,” which tells the story of how groups — including the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and Aryan Nations — coalesced into a radical white-power movement after the Vietnam War. These groups were united by a core set of beliefs about the threats of demographic change and governmental overreach, perceived hostility toward white Americans and the necessity of extra-political, often violent, action to achieve their aims. This is a conversation about how some of those ideas have seeped into mainstream Republican politics and what that could mean for the future of the party — and the country. It explores the radicalizing effects of Jan. 6, how irony and meme culture import far-right ideas into popular media, how warfare abroad can produce violence at home, why politics has started to feel apocalyptic across the spectrum, whether left-wing violence is as serious a threat as right-wing violence and more. Mentioned: Radical American Partisanship by Lilliana Mason and Nathan P. Kalmoe Messengers of the Right by Nicole Hemmer The Hispanic Republican by Geraldo Cadava Mothers of Massive Resistance by Elizabeth Gillespie McRae Book Recommendations: Fortress America by Elaine Tyler May Future Home of the Living God by Louise Erdrich Tiny You by Jennifer Holland This episode is guest-hosted by Nicole Hemmer, a historian whose work focuses on right-wing media and American politics. She is an associate research scholar with the Obama Presidency Oral History Project at Columbia University and author of “Messengers of the Right: Conservative Media and the Transformation of American Politics.” You can follow her on Twitter @PastPunditry. (Learn more about the other guest hosts during Ezra’s parental leave here.) You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Client and this is the Ezra Clancho.

0:16.8

Hey, it is Ezra Client.

0:21.2

While I'm on paternity leave, we've got an all-star team of guest-sows.

0:24.8

This week, it is Nicole Hammer.

0:26.5

Nicole is the author of Messengers of the Right, Conservative Media and the Transformation

0:30.8

of American Politics.

0:32.4

She's an Associate Research Scholar with the Obama Presidency Oral History Project

0:36.2

at Columbia University and one of the hosts of the past present podcast.

0:40.6

I have learned so much from Nicole about the intersection of conservatism and American

0:45.8

politics and the media, so I'm really excited to listen to these.

0:57.3

One of the most striking trends recently is how fringe, right-wing ideas and theories

1:02.2

have started to creep into mainstream politics.

1:05.1

Here's what I mean by that.

1:07.8

Far-right groups like the Proud Boys and online conspiracy networks like QAnon have become

1:12.6

household names.

1:14.7

A crowd made up of both militant extremists and Trump supporters who believe the election

1:18.9

had been stolen, stormed the capital at the start of this year.

1:23.3

Tucker Carlson recently named chapter the Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory on his popular

1:27.8

cable news show.

1:29.6

And a small number of elected officials has expressed support for the militant group

1:33.7

the Oathkeepers or the QAnon Conspiracy Theory.

1:37.5

The list goes on.

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