I'm always fascinated by people who defy my expectations.

And in my whole life, I've met very few people who've surprised me the way Amrillus

Fox did.

I thought I had a clear idea of what a CIA operative would be like, and Amrillus was

nothing like that.

And even though it's been many months since we talked, I still think about that conversation

on a daily basis.

So when it came time to choose a past episode of ReBroadcast, the choice was obvious.

When I was a kid, I had all sorts of wild fantasies about how my life would turn out.

I would become a secret agent working undercover for the CIA.

I would have my own TV show.

I would marry into the Kennedy clan.

Although none of those childhood dreams came true for me, my guest today, Amrillus Fox,

has done them all.

Welcome to People I Mostly Admire, with Steve Levitt.

Amrillus Fox put nearly a decade working as a CIA operative, recounting her experiences

in the best-selling book Life Under Cover coming of age in the CIA.

More recently, she helped create and hosted the Netflix series The Business of Drugs.

She's also married to the grandson of Robert Kennedy.

But describing what she's done doesn't begin to capture who she is, Amrillus is unlike

anyone I've ever met.

She's an impossible mix of fearlessness, intelligence, empathy, and charisma.

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