Gide, humans.

This is another installment of my collaboration with the University of Technology, Sydney,

where as a visiting fellow there, I get to collaborate with them on inviting amazing people from all over the world to have intelligent conversations

that burst through the sorts of boundaries that universities

are currently too cautious.

Some would say cowardly.

Let's generously say cautious to break through.

Not the University of Technology, Sydney, and not its wonderful dean of the faculty of humanities

and social sciences who has put this program together.

I'll talk about today's guest in just a moment, but first, I'm, I'm noodling a little.

I'm noodling on the Omicron variant.

Not quite sure what to make of the Omicron variant.

If you're listening to this anytime after November, December of 2021, I hope that you

don't even know what I'm talking about.

I hope that you cast your mind back and go, oh yeah, remember when they were momentarily

shit scared of some new variant from Africa?

Hmm, turned out to be nothing.

I hope you're not listening back on this going,

Oh, Nelly.

Poor old Zeps.

Poor old Zepity, baby.

He had no idea what was coming.

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