You last year put forward the prospect of human-level artificial intelligence by 2030.

If anything, I expected probably sooner than 2030, probably more like in the next two to three years.

What would need to be true in terms of deep-seek for it to propel itself beyond the capabilities of U.S. Frontier models?

There's so much learning fruit to collect that it's unpredictable who's going to sort

of find which advances first. There's no reason why they can't be very competitive algorithmically.

What does it mean to be interpretable if the machines are operating in spaces that make us look

not so much like silver-backed gorillas, but like hamsters?

One of the directions we're moving is where you could have AI systems that think about what another version of plot is doing

in order to sort of monitor it and steer it in a good direction.

So by the time you're at a point where AI is sort of as smart as people or beyond,

you're able to leverage those smarter than human AI.

The way in which these models impact economic productivity and the labor market could be much faster than the canal, electricity, or the iPhone. What is the debate that ought to be happening that would most help us prepare for that kind of fast deployment scenario.

Is it really safe to have AI that is smarter than you?

And I think that is a real question.

Like, should we be having these super intelligent AI aliens kind of invading the Earth,

or should we decide not to?

I'm delighted that I've got Jared Kaplan, who's the co-founder and chief scientist of Anthropic.

Jared, it's great to have you here.

Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.

You last year put forward the prospect of human-level artificial intelligence by 2030. Given everything that's happened

since then, what's your current assessment? I mean, I think if anything, and I mean, maybe I'm

drinking too much of my own Kool-Aid, but I mean, if anything, I expect it probably sooner than

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