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Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

Are We Overstating Abuse?

Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

Ana Marie Cox, Open Mike Eagle, and Andrew Steven

Arts, Society & Culture, Business, Performing Arts

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2020

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

CW: Sexual violence Author Sarah Schulman joins the show to discuss her provocative and influential book, Conflict Is Not Abuse: Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of Repair. She argues that both the right and left can needless escalate mere conflicts into accusations of abuse, creating victims where there are none and blaming and shaming those who might be simply misunderstood. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Anna Marie Cox, and welcome to With Friends Like These.

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When I first heard about Sarah Schulman's book, Conflict is Not Abuse,

1:08.9

Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the duty of repair, the idea clicked.

1:13.9

I thought of how white people call the police at the drop of a hat.

1:17.9

I thought about how calling someone a racist is not, in fact, worse than being a racist.

1:23.9

And once I actually started reading it, well, she talks about that stuff.

1:28.9

And it's really bracing.

1:30.9

And then she turns her gimlii onto the ways that well-meaning liberals, people like you and me,

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