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🗓️ 4 January 2026
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The Trump administration wants NASA to land astronauts on the moon by 2027. They also want them to do it with their budget slashed, a leadership carousel and competing views that Mars is more important.
Guest: Joel Achenbach, freelance journalist and author of Moondoggle
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| 0:00.0 | Not so long ago, journalist Joel Achenbach asked his daughter what she knew about the Artemis mission, a plan to send U.S. astronauts to the moon. |
| 0:14.8 | She thought it was puzzling because we already did that. We went to the moon long before she was born, and she didn't understand why |
| 0:21.5 | we would do it again. And I, frankly, had the same reaction. And then, Joel, who spent more |
| 0:27.3 | than 30 years at the Washington Post, asked his neighbors. They are plugged in D.C. residents. |
| 0:32.8 | Surely they knew what Artemis was, right? Some of my neighbors, including some who were scientists, |
| 0:39.3 | thought that Artemis was a Mars plan, you know, send astronauts to Mars, |
| 0:43.5 | which is only a little bit true. |
| 0:47.0 | The Artemis goal, which Joel wrote about for Slate, |
| 0:50.3 | is to put Americans back on the moon before China does it, |
| 0:54.3 | and then eventually use the moon mission as a kind of proving ground |
| 0:58.6 | to pave the way for missions to Mars. |
| 1:01.8 | So the goal with the story that I wrote, in part, was just to say, |
| 1:06.5 | hey, this is what's going on. |
| 1:19.7 | Well, what is that general cluelessness tell you about the current state of American space travel and how much the public is aware of it? |
| 1:23.1 | If you go back to the 1960s, the space program was pretty central in our consciousness. I mean, |
| 1:30.7 | they were doing live television broadcasts of rockets being launched with no astronauts aboard, |
| 1:39.1 | but we knew that it was important that this version of the Saturn 5 rocket successfully get off the pad. |
| 1:45.7 | So Walter Conkite would be on television narrating the launch because it was part of this |
| 1:51.3 | race against the Soviet Union to get to the moon first. |
| 1:56.3 | All engines are running. |
| 1:59.3 | We have liftoff. We have liftoff. |
| 2:01.0 | We have liftoff at 7 a.m. |
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