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🗓️ 9 July 2025
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With people around the world calling for a lasting peace in Gaza, Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu has been schmoozing US President Donald Trump. What chance is there that the two will bring an end to the bloody conflict? And what hope that any peace will hold?
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Guest: Gabrielle Weiniger, Israel Correspondent, The Times.
Host: Luke Jones.
Producer: Shabnam Grewal.
Further reading: IDF defies Netanyahu’s plan for ‘humanitarian city’ in Gaza
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0:00.0 | From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story. I'm Luke Jones. |
0:10.0 | Most people around the world want to see a ceasefire in Gaza, another temporary one at the very least. |
0:17.0 | Something to alleviate the suffering of hostages and to help the Gazans who have |
0:22.0 | been killed, injured and not given enough aid. |
0:31.9 | So what's been holding things up? |
0:34.1 | We've had arguments about how the aid is distributed in Gaza, whether the ceasefire |
0:38.8 | could be permanent. We've even had Benjamin Netanyahu back in the US to flatter Donald Trump, |
0:44.6 | and one Israeli minister suggesting corraling Palestinians into one so-called humanitarian city |
0:51.0 | to much upset. |
1:02.2 | Thank you. humanitarian city to much upset. So, the story today, what does it take to end the war in Gaza? |
1:18.4 | Yeah. My name's Gabriel Weinerger. |
1:20.0 | I'm based in Tel Aviv. |
1:26.7 | I've been covering the war in Gaza, Lebanon, Iran for the last nearly two years now. |
1:33.1 | Benjamin Netanyahu has been back in Washington, D.C. this week. |
1:39.1 | The third time, I think it is, in this second Trump administration, which is quite a feat. |
1:40.5 | Not many world leaders do that. |
1:43.5 | But also they have a very interesting relationship, the two of them. |
1:49.4 | Would you not agree? Interesting is one way of putting it. I think that is a bit of a victory, actually, |
1:55.5 | for Benjamin Netanyahu going three times in six months, I think must be a record for any foreign leader, definitely for an Israeli leader. |
1:59.7 | Thank you very much, everybody. It's an honor to have Thank you very much everybody. |
2:01.5 | It's an honor to have Mimi and Sarah with us and friends of mine for a long time. |
2:07.0 | And we had a tremendous success together. |
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