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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Are U.F.O.s a National Security Threat?

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

Politics, Arts, News, Wnyc, Books, David, Storytelling, Society & Culture, Yorker, New, Remnick

4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2021

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

In June, the director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Defense are expected to deliver a report about what the government knows on the subject of “unidentified aerial phenomena,” more commonly known as U.F.O.s. The issue is nonpartisan: while he was the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, a Democrat, secured funding for a secret Pentagon project to investigate the subject; John Podesta, a chief of staff in the Clinton White House, argued for government transparency on the topic; most recently, the Republican senator Marco Rubio introduced language in last year’s Intelligence Authorization Act calling for the forthcoming report. This is a shocking turn of events. For generations, U.F.O.s were in the purview of late-night call-in radio shows and supermarket tabloids, not the Department of Defense. Gideon Lewis-Kraus reports on how this change came about. The journalist Leslie Kean, who published a bombshell story in the New York Times, explains how the C.I.A. got involved in casting doubt on U.F.O. sightings. Reid tells Lewis-Kraus that the Pentagon refused to authorize his inspection of contractor facilities which, it was rumored, held U.F.O. crash debris. And a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Christopher Mellon, says that the phenomena observed in many sightings cannot be explained as advanced technology built by one of our rivals. “I really doubt that the Russians or Chinese could be that far ahead of us,” he says. “It looks like centuries ahead.” So, whereas the word “aliens” still seems like taboo in serious conversation, he adds, “it's hard to come up with a hypothesis to explain that without considering the possibility that some other civilization is involved.” Gideon Lewis-Kraus’s “How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously” appears in the May 10th issue of The New Yorker. This segment features scoring by Pablo Vergara. Additional archival clips were provided courtesy of James Fox.

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0:00.0

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

0:09.7

This is The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. If you told me when I took this job

0:15.7

that one day I would be publishing a long story about UFOs.

0:26.1

I probably would have guessed we were talking about some sort of humor piece by Patty Marks or Ian Frazier.

0:34.8

I wouldn't have imagined that we'd be publishing thousands and thousands of words on serious government programs investigating UFOs. We're quoting officials on the record to the effect that UFOs are a pressing

0:39.1

issue of national security.

0:42.0

But times change.

0:43.8

And Gideon Lewis Krauss, a staff writer, has just published exactly that kind of piece in The New Yorker.

0:50.4

Here's Gideon.

0:52.6

One afternoon in mid-April, I was at the playground with my son when I got a frantic text

0:57.0

message from one of my sources, breaking huge UFO news it said, and there was a link to

1:03.0

a website that had a series of photos, and a video of some green glowing triangles against

1:09.0

the starry night sky.

1:14.8

At this point, I'd been working on a story about UFOs for four or five months,

1:17.7

and it wasn't so unusual for me to get these kinds of texts with these kinds of links to grainy footage of dubious provenance.

1:22.0

But what was really weird about the triangle video was what happened the next day.

1:26.5

The Pentagon came out and said, yes, in fact, this was ours.

1:30.8

The video was allegedly shot from the deck of the USS Russell off the coast of San Diego in 2019.

1:36.9

In the week since, some people have cast doubt on the video, and it probably doesn't show a UFO.

1:42.9

But the point of the story is,

1:45.0

the triangle video made international headlines.

1:48.1

In night vision video from a Navy destroyer,

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