Are These the Most Influential Murders of All Time? | Andrew Klavan

The Rubin Report

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News Commentary, News, Politics

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🗓️ 8 June 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Andrew Klavan about his new book “The Kingdom of Cain: Finding God in the Literature of Darkness”; how classic literature explores murder, morality, and the loss of faith; how the most famous murders of all time have influenced some of our greatest art; the role of evil in art and storytelling; how artists reveal spiritual truth through darkness; the influence of mainstream media on moral perception; the tragic beauty at the heart of Christianity; and the redemptive power of art in confronting human suffering; and much more.

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0:00.0	Our media lies about everything. Like this is not an exception. This is the rule.
0:04.4	Did you have to wrestle the idea away from Jordan Peterson?
0:10.0	Literally, no other human being walking the earth could have written it.
0:13.5	Just go in a room by yourself and try to imagine a perfect world.
0:16.3	And the first thing you will do is say, well, I got to get rid of these people.
0:19.0	You asked me at the beginning what was the source of this book, and one of the sources
0:23.1	was my problem with modern Christian art, which is slap happy.
0:27.5	If you pray, you get what you pray for.
0:29.0	That's all nonsense.
0:29.9	That doesn't happen.
0:30.6	If God walks on earth, we will kill him.
0:33.1	That there's a famous painting by Holbein of Christ Lying Dead,
0:39.0	and it's just a dead body.
0:42.4	And thus they used to stand in front of this painting for hours until his wife would come and take him away.
0:44.2	These are murders that actually capture the imagination of artists repeatedly.
0:48.5	Do you think you can ever get away with it?
0:59.6	No. with it. All right, this is the Rubin Report.
1:01.1	I think you know who I am, and I think you know who my guest is because he's been on
1:04.2	this show at least a dozen times in all of the years that we've been pumping these things
1:08.9	out.
1:09.8	Andrew Claven, it's good to see you, my friend.
1:12.0	Good to see you, Dave. How are you doing?
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