Are there any Russian spies left in Europe?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 26 October 2022
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Norway detains a suspected Russian spy - the latest in a long string of expulsions and arrests.
Victoria and Vitaly discuss Russian espionage with BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera. He explains how the war in Ukraine has made the job of a Russian spy in Europe harder.
Also, we hear the poignant testimony of a Ukrainian soldier who is suffering from post-traumatic stress because of the fighting he witnessed.
And as Russia doubles down on its claims that Ukraine is planning to use dirty bombs, we ask Chatham House’s Patricia Lewis how these bombs work and whether Russia’s allegations could lead the war to escalate.
Today’s Ukrainecast was presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko.
The series producer is Estelle Doyle. The producers are Luke Radcliff and Arsenii Sokolov. The technical producer is Emma Crowe. And the editor Jonathan Aspinwall.
Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's 245 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:10.2 | In a moment we are going to bring you a stark and brutal reminder about the loss of life |
| 0:17.1 | in this conflict so far. |
| 0:20.3 | Also in today's episode, Vitaly reveals that the Ukrainian Secret Service once tried |
| 0:26.8 | to recruit him as a spy. |
| 0:29.4 | Plus, we're going to hear from a Ukrainian soldier who talks in a really visceral way about |
| 0:36.2 | the post-traumatic stress disorder he now suffers from as a result of fighting for his life |
| 0:42.5 | and his country. |
| 0:44.1 | I started having panic attacks. |
| 0:47.0 | Wild fear for no reason. |
| 0:49.2 | My hands were shaking, my blood pressure sawed. |
| 0:52.8 | It was pure torment. |
| 0:55.1 | You are no longer in control of yourself. |
| 0:58.5 | Now what this soldier tells us is really important because it is estimated that millions of |
| 1:05.5 | Ukrainians, soldiers, but mostly civilians are going to need long-term support to cope |
| 1:11.6 | with what they are experiencing and living through right now. |
| 1:15.7 | And who knows how long the war is going to go on for. |
| 1:19.1 | Just to remind you of the terrible human cost of the war so far, the UN says 16,150 |
| 1:28.1 | civilians have been killed, 402 of them children. |
| 1:32.8 | The Ukrainian authorities say nearly 9,000 of its military personnel have been killed. |
| 1:37.8 | Russia says close to 6,000 of its soldiers have died, but the UK believes 25,000 Russians |
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