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Money For the Rest of Us

Are the Economy and Financial Markets Zero-Sum Games?

Money For the Rest of Us

J. David Stein

Investing, Investing Podcast, Business, Economics, Economy

4.5 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Does there need to be a loser for every winner when it comes to investing and economic growth?

Topics covered include:

  • What are zero-sum games
  • How trading can be a zero-sum game
  • Why active management and seeking excess returns through security selections or country weights are zero-sum games
  • Why the U.S. stock market has outperformed the rest of the world
  • Why economic growth overall is not a zero-sum game, but some aspects of the economy are zero-sum games


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Show Notes

With the Odds on Their Side, They Still Couldn’t Beat the Market by Jeff Sommer—The New York Times

International Diversification—Still Not Crazy after All These Years by Cliff Asness, Antti Ilmanen, and Daniel Villalon—AQR

The (Time-Varying) Importance of Disaster Risk by Ivo Welch—The Financial Analysts' Journal

The Economics of Biodiversity: The Dasgupta Review by Dasgupta P.—GOV.UK

Why the economy is not a zero-sum game: a simple explanation by Nathan Mech—Acton Institute

Defending the Free Market: The Moral Case for a Free Economy by Robert Sirico

Rents: How Marketing Causes Inequality by Gerrit De Geest

The Threat of Rent Extraction in a Resource-constrained Future by Stratford B.—White Rose Research Online


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0:00.0

Welcome to Money for the Rest of Us. This is a personal financial show on money. How it

0:05.2

works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host David Stein

0:10.7

today is episode 432. It's titled Are the Economy and Financial Markets Zero Some Games?

0:19.3

One of the most thrilling and heart-wrenching aspects of sports, particularly annual NCAA

0:26.8

basketball tournaments, is watching a team come from behind and win in the final few seconds.

0:33.0

There's the sheer joy and delight of the winning players and fans, and the shock, disbelief,

0:40.0

and even tears of the losing players and fans who realize their season is over. I recall

0:47.1

attending an NCAA tournament game with my father's alma mater Xavier University, being

0:53.9

in the stands with him and seeing the opposing team make a last-second shot, and the roar

1:00.5

of the crowd for the other side and disbelief in seeing our team lose. A basketball game

1:07.4

is a zero-sum game. In order to have a winner, there must be a loser. Federal Reserve economist

1:14.7

Eric R. Nielsen describes a zero-sum game as follows. Mathematically, a zero-sum game is

1:22.2

one in which the sum of all the games and losses made by all the players must be zero.

1:29.6

This is the familiar idea that one man's loss is another man's gain. Nielsen gives an example

1:35.4

of a game of poker, where the total amount of money in the pot at the end of the game

1:40.7

is the same as at the beginning. Money made by one player with a winning streak comes

1:46.6

at the expense of the other players. There are some aspects of financial markets that

1:51.8

are zero-sum games. Trading commodity futures, for example. If I go long oil expecting oil

1:59.5

to go up in price, and if the price of oil rises more than the price of the futures contract

2:05.6

when I initiated the trade, then I'll make money. But that money that I earn comes from

2:10.6

the trader or traders on the other side of the trade, who were shorting oil, speculating

2:17.0

that it would fall in price. The zero-sum game of commodity futures of currency trading

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