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This is Deep State Radio.

This is Deep State Radio.

Coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of

Snark in Washington, D.C. and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Deep State Radio. I am David Rothkoff, your host here in New York City joining me from Washington, D.C.

We have Mika O-Yang, Vice President for National Security Studies at Third Way, and we have Ed Luce of the Financial Times and of course we are here.

I feel like we're living inside of a washing machine or something like that tumbled

around in each news cycle a little bit disoriented. But one of the things that's striking to me about this news cycle, Mika, is that while there's a heavy focus on the political, there is a heavy focus on national security stuff at the center of this about the

US relationship with Ukraine and how do you conduct foreign policy and was the president within his rights to conduct foreign policy this way?

With Russia because a lot of what the president has done with regard to Ukraine seems to be Russia influence and with how the rest of the world

will view us not in light of impeachment or lack of impeachment but just with with exercises like this, and with the tantalizing possibility that there

is a secret file someplace that has the secret notes to the embarrassing conversations the president has had with other world leaders and you know they

might be real uncomfortable if somehow American legal processes resulted in those files

falling into the hands of Democrats on the hill. I'm, when you have spent most of your career doing national security stuff as you have,

I don't suppose you ever sort of saw the scenario where this ends up at the center of American politics?

No, and in fact, look in the history of America we have never had a president who has

blurred foreign policy and his personal interests in a way that people even would talk about foreign emoluments.

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