Hello and welcome to The Spectator's Americano podcast, a special series of discussions about the biggest political event of this year, the 2016 US presidential election.

My name's Freddie Gray and I'm Deputy Editor of the Spectator. Today I'm joined by Christopher Caldwell, who's a senior editor of the Weekly Standard,

and we're going to be discussing Hillary's hubris.

Are the Democrats in danger of getting dangerously smug before November the 8th?

Chris, there's a Texan expression, don't taunt the alligator until you've crossed the creek.

Do you think that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are in danger of taunting Donald Trump

and that he might turn out to bite them?

No, not really. I mean, I think that there's a certain kind of cultural hubris that you see on

the part of Hillary Clinton's supporters. You see it among certain newspaper columnists. You see a lot of

misunderstanding of Trump voters. But I don't think there's any such hubris in the Hillary Clinton

campaign. You know, there are reasons to believe that this campaign is closer than it looks,

but I think that the people who are running the campaign for Hillary

are really not leaving anything the chance.

You say the campaign is closer than it looks?

Are you talking about the latest poll in Florida, I think, that shows Trump up?

Well, that's interesting.

I didn't know about that one.

The polls show a slight tightening.

When I talk about this campaign being closer

than it looks, I think the clear precedent that journalists and pollsters look at here is Brexit,

where you had, you know, the final exit, even the exit polls showed a four-point lead for Remain,

and we all woke up in the morning with a four-point lead for four-point victory for

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