Scientism puts science on this pedestal and sort of says, look, if science can't measure it,

if science can't detect it, then it's not real, right? The only truth I accept is what can

be proven scientifically. If you live in that kind of world, it's not satisfying, it's not fulfilling.

We need more. We need more than that. That's an opportunity for us to preach Christ.

Hans Matawamey is professor of theological studies at Covenant College in Lookout Mountain, Georgia,

and serves on the editorial board for the journal Themelios.

Before training in theology, Hans received his MD and completed his medical residency in internal medicine at the Mayo Clinic.

His new book with Crossway is called, Does Science Make

God Irrelevant, which is part of the TGC Hard Questions series. Hans, thanks so much for

joining me today on the Crossway podcast.

Yeah, my pleasure. I look forward to our conversation.

So, Hans, this little book that you've written, it really does just what it promises in the title.

It answers the question, does science make God irrelevant?

And you do it in such a concise and accessible and yet compelling way.

And I'm really excited to get into some of the arguments, some of the topics that you raise in the book.

But before we get there, I wonder if you

can just start by telling us a little bit about yourself. How did you first get interested in

this topic, science and faith, and how they fit together? What was it that drew you to this area?

Yes, great question. So if I could go back in time when I was a college student, so I went to McGill

University in Montreal, Quebec, and I was basically a pre-med and doing my undergrad in anatomy

and finished there in three years and then went to medical school in D.C. at Howard University,

and it was a traditional medical school,

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