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I hate the phrase, the idea that the pendulum is swinging too far. I would rather say, is the

pendulum going to swing to the wrong place? Are we going to overreact?

And it could be, you know, a step toward fascism.

It could be, instead, it could be just too much exuberance.

We take the, you know, doge cuts 10 too many things or whatever, you know.

There's a test coming now that this, whatever this new right is,

that hasn't decided who it is, its identity is not set yet. There are vying factions to trying

to determine who this new coalition is represented by, what philosophies, whether it's Berkian,

whether it's, you know, fascist, Evolyn. There are people talking about it, whether it's Schmidian, whether it's G you know, fascist, Evolan, there are people talking about

whether it's Schmidian, whether it's Glocky. I think it's just Trumpian and American. Or if it's

just Trump. Or yeah, just, you know, make America great again. Whatever it is, there's this

ambiguity in what it is. And the question is, will it survive the most brutal of all tests, which is, you now have power?

Let's see what a steward you are of it. And I remain unfortunately nervous about how we might do with that test.

Yeah. we might do with that test. James Lindsay, this has to be at least your dozen appearance on the Rubin Report, would you say?

I think that's not right. I hope so.

Ballpark dozen. You're definitely in the top 10 of repeat guests.

I'll take it. So let's just try not to muck it up if we could. Oh, no. We are here at the ARC conference,

and much like when I spoke to you here about a year and a half ago, what I find most interesting

about this conference is there seems to be a real move to find all of the commonalities between,

say, the classical liberals where guys like you and I fall and the more traditional conservatives. It seems to be working,

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