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So many people have told me that the algorithm is a mirror for who they are. I don't buy that.

I don't buy that at all. Like, they enter in, they're watching this stuff, and it's telling them slowly but surely that this is who they should be, this is how they should

adapt their behavior, they should resent women, you know, things are being taken from them.

I just don't think that that is what the value system is at their very core. And I think that

we need to find ways to offer them an enriching reflective capacity to be able to go,

actually what I'm being told is not who I want to be.

I'm John Favro, and you just heard from Dr. Zach Seidler, a clinical psychologist who's the director of men's health research at Movember, the leading global charity for men's health.

Zach stopped by the office last week on his way home to Australia, and we had a fantastic conversation about some of the really important work they've been doing on the state of young men's health in a digital world, especially how male influencers,

podcasters, YouTubers, cultural and political figures are shaping young men's views and choices

and well-being. But before we get to my interview with Zach, I do want to share some thoughts on this topic,

since a few related stories have popped up in the news recently. I've been thinking a lot about two men with similar stories who became very different people.

One of them, J.D. Vance, you know.

Grew up in small town, Ohio, didn't have much money or direction, enlisted in the military, deployed to Iraq,

came home and went back to school, got married,

had a few kids, and then he was off, wrote a book about his life that catapulted him to national

fame, got a lucrative job at a venture capital firm, ran for Senate, and was ultimately chosen

as vice president, where his portfolio apparently includes owning the libs and calling me a

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