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Are 'Marathon' and 'Pokémon Pokopia' What Sony and Nintendo Needed? | Button Mash

The Ringer-Verse

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.53.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2026

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Summary

Gotta ’cast ’em all! First, Ben, Matt James, and Steve Ahlman form a fireteam to discuss Bungie’s long-awaited extraction shooter ‘Marathon.’ They forecast whether it’ll fare more like hit ‘ARC Raiders’ or flop ‘Highguard,’ examine the stakes for Sony’s big bets on Bungie and live-service games, and react to a possible revival of the PlayStation/Xbox console wars, followed by a “Rage Quit” rant about the backlash to promotional photos for video game adaptations such as ‘God of War.’ Then Ben brings on Charles Pulliam-Moore from The Verge to discuss the delights of Pokémon life-sim spinoff ‘Pokopia,’ its significance for Switch 2, and the Pokémon franchise’s 30th anniversary, evolution, and future, plus a second “Rage Quit” about the Trump administration coopting video games like ‘Pokopia’ to make memes. Email us at ringerversegaming@gmail.com! Intro (0:00) ‘Marathon’ first impressions (3:35) Live service games discussion (39:11) Are the PlayStation/Xbox console wars back? (43:56) Rage quit! (48:32 ) First thoughts on 'Pokémon Pokopia’ (57:08) Switch 2 discussion (1:19:25) The future of Pokémon (1:22:16) Rage quit vs. Trump (1:35:12) Outro (1:46:23) Host: Ben Lindbergh Guests: Matt James, Steve Ahlman, and Charles Pulliam-Moore Producer: Devon Renaldo Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

If you're a fan of the inner workings of Hollywood, then check out my podcast, The Town, on the Ringer Podcast Network.

0:05.7

My name's Matt Bellany. I'm founding partner at Puck and the writer of the What I'm Hearing newsletter.

0:10.4

And with my show, The Town, I bring you the inside conversation about money and power in Hollywood.

0:15.2

Every week, we've got three short episodes featuring real Hollywood insiders to tell you what people in town are actually talking about.

0:21.7

We'll cover everything from why your favorite show was canceled overnight, which streamer is on the brink of collapse, and which executive is on the hot seat.

0:29.2

Disney, Netflix, who's up, down, and who will never eat lunch in this town again?

0:33.6

Follow the town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast.

0:52.8

Thank you. Follow the town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Hello and welcome into the Ringerverse, your Nexus feed for all things fandom.

0:59.8

I am Ben Lindberg, senior editor and voice of video games at The Ringer, if that doesn't sound too self-aggrandizing.

1:06.2

And today, ButtonMash becomes a marathon, not a sprint.

1:09.5

As we discuss Sony's big new live service bet on

1:13.0

bungee, the long-awaited and initially much-maligned online shooter marathon. We'll share

1:18.9

our impressions of the game. We'll discuss how it fits into the ever-shifting live-service landscape.

1:24.0

RIP Highguard, we hardly knew you. and we'll examine whether there's actually a little

1:28.4

life left in the console wars, all of which will be a prelude to a Pokemon conversation,

1:34.3

as Charles Pulliam Moore from the Verge joins me to discuss Pokemon Pocopia and the 30th anniversary

1:39.9

and future of the franchise. But before I welcome a second Charles to the Ringiverse,

1:45.9

let's head to Taosetti4 and welcome our runners for this first segment.

1:51.3

In Marathon, you spend a lot of time in trios,

1:54.1

and so we will today, backing me up and potentially turning on me to take my loot.

1:59.4

Are the ringers deputy art lead Matt, jigglypuff, James.

2:03.1

Hello, Matt.

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