When I first experienced crow's in the garden, as I mentioned in this week, crow week with

Dr. Wet Blanket, Dr. Kimmy Swift, I didn't like him that much because there were just so

many in the garden and I was afraid, perhaps, of what they might do to my delicate seedlings

that I've spent so much time starting, etc., etc. So, Kaylee, what do you think contributes

perhaps to this dislike, this inherent dislike of crow's? That's the perception I guess I get

culturally. I don't know if that's founded or not. Okay, so there's two different answers

to that question. So if we want to think about it from a broad cultural perspective, the answer

is particularly in Western cultures because across the world, people feel very differently

about their local species. So this idea that there are always, you know, these indications

of impending death or they're always red as ominous signals, that's a Western thing. Yeah,

that's, yeah. And that has, there's sort of a long history of that. It comes from their

associations, battlefields, consuming dead bodies. That's not something, you know, in the sort

of, like, anthology of Christian religions we tend to like. We have very specific ways

we want to treat the dead and getting eaten by scavenging animals, not high on that list.

So we don't like them for that reason. During the plague, again, you had this period of time,

we had lots of dead bodies, you had doctors sort of dressed as these birds because they

have those big masks, right, that they filled with aromatics. And so kind of we've been creeping

towards this stronger and stronger association in that context that has sort of culminated

now into these birds often being viewed as these, you know, doom and gloom sort of

symptoms. Like angels of death or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And there's,

like I said, long, rich, really interesting history of how that came to be. The other

side of that coin then is the gardener, more specifically. Sure. And why the gardener

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