But my dad says, the way he explains it, he says, well, you see the ant pile over there.

He says, there's always going to be someone that goes over there and they're going to kick it or they're going to burn it.

They're going to try to destroy it somehow.

They have no respect.

And he says, and then you see all these little ants running off.

He said, that's who we are.

We're those that got away.

We're the children and grandchildren of those that got away.

So that's why we're alive today.

Couldn't kill all of us.

Ha ha ha ha. Don't know Don't

Come on me Well, it's really great to have.

Well, it's really great to have you on the phone, Lenita, and I was wondering if you could just introduce yourself and where you're calling from.

Okay, my name is Laneda Warjack. I live in Fort Hall, Idaho, which is the Shoshone-Bannock

Reservation in Idaho. And yeah, and you're a very important person. I don't feel like a very important person,

but I'm still alive. Well, you just wrote a book. So it is really important. And you were part of a

very historic movement. And I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about your background

and leading up to the Alcatraz occupation. How did you end up in Berkeley and how did you

end up in the Bay Area? Okay. I went out on the Bureau of Indian Affairs Relocation Program in 1965,

and I was there in the San Francisco for a couple of years

and began organizing with other natives in the in the San Francisco Bay Area and went

from a couple of different organizations but then about that time Mayor Alliotto in

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