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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

Chris and I are talking to Rosemary, Ellen Geiley, and she joined us for actually about a one-hour session,

a couple of weeks back at the International UFO Congress in Scottsdale, Arizona, near Phoenix.

And we had a fascinating discussion, and we briefly talked about the book that she and Philip

Mbrugno wrote called The Vengeful Gin. And I have to caution you, this is not about the book that she and Philip Ombrogno wrote called The Vengeful Gin.

And I have to caution you, this is not about the stuff that you put in a bottle and drink,

although the legend does have something to do sometimes with something in a bottle, doesn't it?

So I'm going to ask that silly question again, Rosemary, kind of to bring us back where we were a couple of weeks back.

So listeners who didn't hear that show will know what we're talking about here.

The gin is the legend behind the genie, right?

It is, yes.

The term gin means the hidden ones.

And it refers to an ancient race of supernaturally empowered beings who once lived

on this planet before we came along. And they lost out to us. They were pushed off this world

into another one, which in modern terms would be a parallel dimension. They exist in very ancient mythology and folklore as

formidable beings who have the power to cause people a lot of problems. And our book,

The Vengeful Jin, is the case that we make for them being very active in the world today,

not just in remote

geographical regions or any particular spot in the country, but everywhere, and that they

have an agenda for wanting to interact with us. Some of them may be hostile and aggressive

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