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The Playbook Podcast

April 21, 2025: New Hegseth controversy roils Washington

The Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

News, Daily News, Politics, Government

3.9699 Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Just how much trouble is Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth in? That question is set to dominate Washington today. Last night, former top Pentagon spokesman John Ullyot published an op-ed in POLITICO Magazine detailing chaotic conditions at the Pentagon and predicting President Donald Trump will oust Hegseth. Plus, the New York Times reports on a second Signal group chat in which Hegseth shared details about the attack plan for Yemen — and this one included Hegseth’s wife and brother. So — how’s this story going to develop today? Playbook managing editor and author Jack Blanchard and White House bureau chief Dasha Burns break it down.

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0:00.0

Presented by BP.

0:05.5

Hello, good morning, everyone.

0:07.0

This is Playbook's Daily Briefing, and this is Playbooks Managing Editor and author Jack Blanchard.

0:11.6

It is Monday, April the 21st, Easter Monday indeed, or at least Easter Monday in Europe and the UK.

0:19.0

It doesn't seem to be such a thing here in America.

0:21.3

Here we are in Woodford, very disappointingly. And I'm here with White House Bureau Chief Dasha Burns to talk

0:26.4

through everything that is driving the day today. Good morning, Dasha. What on earth are we doing

0:30.9

in work today? Good morning. We are, we're tracking a lot from Easter egg rolls to complete meltdowns at the Pentagon, apparently.

0:39.7

This is going to be one of the busier holiday Mondays that we've encountered in a little while.

0:45.0

All right. There is certainly a lot going on. Let me quickly talk you through the best of it.

0:49.3

Politico last night publishing a big opinion piece by a guy called John Elliott, the former top Pentagon spokesman

0:54.5

who resigned this past week and he has lifted the lid on what he says as chaotic conditions

0:59.4

in the Pentagon, even predicting that Donald Trump will end up firing his defense secretary,

1:04.2

Pete Hakeseth, really big story on our website, Politico's Paul McCleary, also breaking a story

1:09.5

about chaos in the Pentagon,

1:11.2

alongside that culture of dysfunction and backstabbing.

1:14.4

Can you imagine that in the government department?

1:16.3

And separately to that, the New York Times also publishing last night a big story about Pete Hegseth,

1:21.9

saying there was a second signal group chat in which he was sharing details about that attack plan for Yemen,

1:27.3

just like the first one, that the Atlantic revealed this time a different group chat in which he was sharing details about that attack plan for Yemen, just like the

1:28.0

first one, that the Atlantic revealed this time a different group chat involving Heghe's wife

1:33.1

and brother. So a sort of Signalgate part two, if you like, I know, two big stories of Pete Hegeseth in one night.

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