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Guest hosting for the great Hugh Hewitt.

I am a retired United States Army colonel.

I am a former Los Angeles trial lawyer. I'm the senior columnist at townhall.com. And I am a retired United States Army Colonel. I am a former Los Angeles trial lawyer.

I'm the senior columnist at Town Hall.com.

And I am thrilled.

I am thrilled today to jump right in with my first guest,

someone I've wanted to talk to for a long time.

Senator Susan Collins from the great state of Maine.

Welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show.

Thanks so much, Kurt. I'm a big admirer of yours and of Hughes, and it's great to join you today.

Well, boy, that's nice of you to say. Senator Collins, were you aware that you have a rabid fan base against the kind of hardcore conservatives like me who think

Genghis Khan was a little squishy. Did you, did you, did you, did you know we were out there

cheering you on? I'm delighted to hear that, and I do meet several people who recognize that I come from a state, indeed,

a region from the country, New England, where I am the sole remaining Republican left in either

the House or the Senate in those six New England states.

That's a huge change from the way it used to be.

Well, you know, I'm a military guy.

You know, it reminds me of the British holding out at Rourke's Drift against overwhelming forces.

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