Hi there, welcome to another M-Lex podcast. My name's James Panicki. I'm M-Lex's Australasian

managing editor, and I'm coming to you from our offices in Melbourne, Australia. Now the next time that you reach for your Apple or Samsung smartphone,

take a very good look at what appears on your screen.

The grid of icons is known as GUI, a graphical user interface,

and the idea behind that look is worth a lot of money.

At least that's the take-home message of the Marathon US court case that's been unfolding. and the idea behind that look is worth a lot of money.

At least that's the take-home message of the Marathon US court case that's been unfolding for years now over Apple's charges that Samsung infringed its patents

for the shape of the iPhone and, more importantly, the grid of software icons on its screen.

And now, at the end of a five-day trial and several days of jury

deliberation, a court has agreed with Apple and has told Samsung to pay the US tech company

over half a billion dollars. That's not to say that it's been a walk in the park for Apple,

with the jury finding the technical details of the case overwhelming. And if that wasn't

enough, the case is now likely to go to an appeal. Our chief global digital risk correspondent is

Mike Swift and he works out of Silicon Valley, as does Amy Miller, Mlex's senior correspondent for

privacy and security, who was there for a few of the key moments of that trial.

Amy, Mike, great to speak to you both.

Hello, James.

Hi, James.

Mike, it's obviously a complicated case, so let's start from the take-home piece of news and work

our way back from that.

Samsung must pay Apple a record $538 million for infringing three design patents.

It's half of what Apple had been asking for, so is it still a win for Apple?

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