Let's go deep inside Apple, looking at AI Vision Pro, the iPhone, China, and plenty more with the preeminent Apple Watcher of our time.

Yes, our conversation with the daring fireballs John Gruber is coming up right after this.

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nuanced conversation of the tech world and beyond. Our guest today is John Gruber.

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I am stoked for this conversation.

I've been looking forward to it.

And I'm so thrilled to welcome you here, John.

John, welcome to the show. Oh, I'm happy to be here, Alex. Great to have you. Let's start just

broadly on the state of Apple. It's a very interesting moment for the company, don't you think?

And this was kind of the note that I wrote down. It's a powerhouse company that just released

a potentially revolutionary device, but it is also one that's in the midst of what will be

five of six quarters with revenue declines, problems in China, and many years until it sees the

fruits of the Vision Pro, or at least what it wants to see from it. So what is the vibe around Apple

these days? It's hard, you know, it's a good open-ended question.

And I think the answer is that any company that grows to super planet size, I don't know how

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