Appeasing the New Axis

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Clifford D. May, founder and director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, enters The Remnant multiverse with Jonah Goldberg to reevaluate the world stage and all its conflicts. Cliff and Jonah debate who’s leading the new Axis of Evil and dig into the growing trend of expansionist politics and the depressing lack of fact-based arguments in contemporary foreign policy.Show Notes: —Listen to the "Foreign Policy" podcast —Learn more about FDD —The Wall Street Journal: “The Painting That Explains Trump’s Foreign Policy” The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.6	Oh!
0:48.1	Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.
0:51.3	Can you digger? Greetings you. Hey, guys. Greetings, dear listeners.
0:58.7	This is Jonah Goldberg.
0:59.6	Hosted the Remnant podcast.
1:00.8	Talk you by Dispatch and Dispatch Media.
1:04.5	So we have a first-time guest.
1:05.8	Guy I've known for a, for a depressingly long time back when he had was wearing different hats which we don't
1:12.4	have to get fully into all the hats this guy has worn but for a long while now he has been
1:18.7	the grand pooh-bah at the foundation for the defensive democracies a great once small and
1:24.1	scrappy think tank that is now sort of playing with the big dogs more and more um
1:29.4	and it has a it it it it punches it is from the founding punched above its weight class um
1:36.8	and does so more and more and um uh cliff may uh has a weekly column in the Washington Times.
1:46.1	He does a podcast called, which I'm just going to say it now.
1:49.8	I hate the title.
1:51.6	Foreign potency.
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