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And that these secular scholars don't read books that are published by Zondervan

and Moody and Crossway and so forth.

And that is why Kevin Christian scholarship is so important. Both

Nicholas Woltersdorf and Robert Adams taught at Yale where Miller says he had never heard of or interacted with Christian

scholars.

I think that he just did a bait and switch here.

We started off with apologist.

Now it's turned into just any Christian scholars.

And Richard C. Miller, admittedly,

he confesses himself, he says,

hey, I am on the full secular humanist critical side.

And I think that faith-based research scholarship is just not going to get you the answers.

Because if you're a Christian who believes Jesus really did rise from the dead, that's part of

something you believe, you can't not believe it, you believe it, and he didn't rise from the dead. That's part of something you believe. You can't not believe it. You believe it. And he

didn't rise from the dead. Then how can you be accurate if he didn't rise? Let's say the

answer was he didn't rise from the dead. But you believe he did. How can you come to the conclusion that he didn't

if you have to believe that in your mind?

Like it's something that you aren't challenging,

you're not interested in actually finding out the truth on

or not, and what makes the most sense here. The scholars he's

naming here are philosophers irrelevant to the field that we're talking about here

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