throughout almost every single one of your interviews was people are holding on to a branch on a burning tree and being like well how will we guarantee safety if we let go of this?

You know and it's like there's no guarantee in any direction.

That's not what we're guaranteed safety.

What we are guaranteed is that we can be together in this and that we can figure out a way

to do this in deeper alignment with our values. I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, Mother of Dragons, and a healing justice facilitator for social movements living in Minneapolis,

the center of the uprising.

I'm Major Marie Brown, a writer based in Detroit who is returning from a six-month sabbatical and really

excited to be back. And this is How to Survive the End of the World.

Our podcast on Surv and facing apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

And you're back!

Whoa! Hi, back. Hi sister.

Hi sister.

Welcome back.

Thank you.

I am really grateful to be back and grateful for the world that I am returning to.

And wow, so much happened while I was away.

We don't did some things while you were gone.

Y'all, y'all been up to some things and yeah, it's incredible to return.

Today we're going to do a deep dive on what we've learned from our survival series.

And that conversation will flow right into what we've been thinking about in the last week as

conversations about reimagining public safety have taken their rightful place

on the national stage. But first we wanted to stop and create an altar

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