This is Simple. I'm Tish Oxen Rider.

Hey friends, in this episode I'm chatting with contributing writer and managing editor of the

Art of Simple, Andrea Debink.

As always, we're talking about what we wrote this week.

Andrea wrote about what she's learned about the philosophical idea of home

from having rented the same apartment for the past six years with her husband.

She's in her mid 30s and there's often this idea that home ownership is the destination

that somehow crowns you officially a grown-up.

So we talk about how that simply isn't the case.

And then since this week I shared an update on our fixer-upper renovation,

showing photos of our before and during progress, I'm talking about the practical tips and mindset shifts that really help living in a fixer upper.

If any of you are also in that boat, or if you're thinking about one day buying an old house and living in it while you fix it up.

And then in the third segment, Stephanie Langford and I are answering another one of your travel

questions. So let's get right to it. Here's Andrew. are answering

another one of your travel questions. So let's get right to it. Here's Andrea sharing

tips and encouragement for the many many people who rent an

apartment and call it home.

Okay. call it home. Okay, Andrea, I want to know your thoughts about living in an apartment in your

mid-30s because I think a lot of our listeners can relate to this.

Yeah, you know, living in an apartment in my mid 30s is not something that I really expected

for myself.

I grew up in the suburbs of a pretty big city where home ownership was really just the norm and it was kind of expected that this was a natural life

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