Fascinating people, fascinating places.

G'd a and welcome to the Dan Mainwearing podcast.

This is where we talk to and about the famous and the infamous,

the celebrated and the obscure, the well-known and the undiscovered. the In the years that followed World War II, after decades and in some cases centuries of colonial rule,

hundreds of millions of Africans gained independence from European control.

But the scourge of colonialism... independence from European control.

But the scourge of colonialism lived on in South Africa, where descendants of settlers and other

European immigrants further subjugated 90% of the population through an overtly racist policy of

segregation known as apartheid. Non-whites couldn't vote, date, live alongside or go to school with white people.

Their movements were controlled through an internal past system, and many of them were even

stripped of their right to citizenship. In this episode I talked to someone

who grew up within that dystopian system and saw its eventual form.

Habib Baderu is an associate professor of women's gender and sexuality Studies and African Studies at Penn State. She's also an award-winning poet.

Her very name has significance to her heritage and indeed her countries as Habibar explained to me.

So it's an Arabic name but if you ask people who speak Arabic as a first language or

in other parts of the world.

Many of them will not recognize my name.

And the reason is because of the way that Arabic is spoken

in South Africa, which has very much been shaped

by similar aspirated sounds in Khoisson languages

in Afrikaans, etc.

So I've just recently visited Morocco and people didn't recognize my name as an Arabic name and eventually they said

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