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Gangland Wire

Apalachin Meeting Part 1

Gangland Wire

Gary Jenkins: Mafia Detective

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.6623 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Don’t forget to buy me a cup of coffee on your venmo app at ganglandwire. This is the first of a two-part series on the now-famous Apalachin meeting, and I got my good friend retired K-9 Sergeant Cate Kozalto sit in on the show. If you want to learn more about Cate, check out my YouTube channel and see our motorcycle tour of Bonnie and Clyde sites from Iowa to Louisana. There are lots of questions out there about the famous Apalachin meeting. I have heard every rumor and speculation possible. Kate and I will try to go through this dispel some of the rumors, and get to the truth. We are doing this because I understand there is a movie about the meeting to be released in 2019. First, we need to pronounce it correctly. I noticed that our frequent guest Bill Ouseley always said Appa -lake-in. I looked it up and as usual, he is correct. So I will quit saying Appalachian and say Appa-lake-in The famous Apalachin meeting has taken on mythical proportions in popular culture. In Kansas City, we brag how New York cops arrested our long-time boss, Nick Civella at a train station very close to this meeting, and he was with prohibition-era Kansas City crime boss, Joe Filardo. This event gave the Kansas City crime family credibility on a national scale. The earliest mention in popular culture was in the Peter Mass book, The Valachi Papers. The movie of the same title also depicted the meeting. Charles Bronson played Joe Valachi. The Apalachin Meeting was loosely depicted in the 1959 film Inside the Mafia. This film starred Cameron Mitchell. Inside the Mafia is a 1959 film noir crime film based on a true incident. It was based on the Albert Anastasia murder and the subsequent Apalachin Meeting. The meeting was comically depicted in the 1999 film Analyze This with Robert DeNiro and Billy Crystal. Narration near the beginning of the 1990 Martin Scorsese movie Goodfellas Henry Hill, played by Ray Liotta said,  “It was a glorious time, before Apalachin, before Crazy Joe Gallo took on a mob boss and started a war…” In the film, the name Apalachin was mispronounced – Henry Hill’s character pronounces the “ch” in Apalachin like in the word “chin,” but it is correctly pronounced like a “k.” The full name is pronounced “Apple-lake-in.” Why was this Apalachin meeting necessary? By this time, the mobsters knew that local police, the FBI, and most importantly, the Federal Bureau of Narcotics were using electronic surveillance methods or bugging telephones and rooms. In 1957, the phone was good but not the best, and there was no such thing as conference calls, let alone Skype or FaceTime conference calls. I believe they wanted to look at each other face to face when they made decisions about the future of the National Crime Commission. Transportation was constantly improving, and interstate crime was becoming more accessible. Las Vegas was on the horizon, and other western cities were growing to create more opportunities for gambling and labor racketeering. Narcotics were a question. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics had gathered a lot of information about the various criminal organization, and narcotics was becoming known as dirty money. Was the profit worth the risk? However, one of the main reasons for this meeting was a struggle for control between the more Americanized liberal factions and the old-school conservative factions of the mafia. The progressive wing wanted to move more into business crime and avoid killings and interfamily wars, while the conservatives wanted to keep everything open. First, let’s go back and see who some players were and how they got there. In 1957, a National Crime Syndicate existed. In 1931 after the last old Mustache Pete, Sal Marazano, was killed by Lucky Luciano and his crew, the bosses of the New York 5 families along with Buffalo New York boss Stephano Magaddino and Chicago’s Al Capone formalized the geographic boundaries and created a set of rules, like for example, for a man to be approved as a made man,

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0:00.0

Hi, my name is Jim Pader. I'm a retired Chicago police homicide detective.

0:05.5

My son and I wrote a book on Being a Cop.com, and you can order it on the blog or as an e-book.

0:15.5

And I'd like you to listen to ganglandwire.com for some more interesting stories.

0:36.2

Welcome all you wiretappers out there. I'm recording in my home studio with a guest co-host, so you may notice that the sound is a little different, and certainly the co-host voice is different.

0:41.9

So all you wiretappers out there, wave and say hi to my good friend Kansas City Police Sergeant Kate Kozal.

0:43.9

Welcome, Kate. How you doing?

0:45.8

I'm doing wonderful, Gary. How are you?

0:48.6

Great. Kate did a variety of jobs on the police department.

0:54.2

I think her stand as a street narcotics undercover officer was probably the most exciting and certainly the most dangerous, although she did spend some time as a bomb dog handler, and that was probably the most

0:59.4

interesting because she was the supervisor over the canine unit and other bob dog bomb sniffing

1:05.7

dogs, and she was also responsible for training the dogs, and there's a lot of interesting stuff. We may have to do a whole episode on training bomb dogs because that is some interesting stuff. Kate, tell the wiretappers just a little bit about your career. Well, Gary, yes, I worked in the street narcotics unit, which was quite interesting. You never know how that's going to go until you're out

1:28.3

doing it. And being a bomb dog handler was one of the best experiences I've ever had. To watch a dog

1:35.7

work and to know how they work is just an incredible experience. And in all mine, there are sometimes

1:42.5

that my bomb dog handler experience as well as my dog is a patrol

1:47.7

dog, so they're both dual-purpose dogs.

1:50.1

And to have a dog find the bad person and you think that you should be going one way

1:56.0

and your dog's telling you to go another way and your dog is more right than you are nine

2:00.3

times out of ten.

2:01.5

It's a very humbling experience.

2:03.9

Interesting. So as a patrol dog, that dog had to be able to track people through its sense of

2:11.4

smell. And then when he caught him, what did he do?

2:14.2

Well, yes, they track him through their scent of smell, so they track human odor, so they're air scent dogs.

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