Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go

deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, ordering boxy Gildan t-shirts, printed in a

sweatshop for your merchandise store, or else a scrappy upstart, making artisanal screen-printed

shirts that will be far too expensive for anyone to buy, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every

writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the second Friday of November 2020 and I thank you for joining us.

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